Sarah & Kaela are talking about taking a break from trying to conceive. The book’s protagonists, Liv and Adam, are equal parts endearing and infuriating as they try to figure out what they want from life—and whether that includes one another. No. But the truth is she wasn’t busy, she was incompetent. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. What we're saying is that Ross isn't the bad guy for doing what he did. So much of how they handled it could have prevented it, but Ross is the one who carried out his projected insecurities and trust issues, so he’s in the wrong in my opinion. Ross. While what he did can be seen as dickish & hurtful, it wasn't cheating. Discussion. When you really step back and look at it, Rachel is a horribly selfish, spoiled, manipulative and terrible human being. Posted by 9 hours ago. hide. Where's the actual affection for Ross, for the person he is? So, Ross' "We were on a break!" And she admitted she wasn't ever motivated in it because it's not her passion, and that is fashion, she had all the ideas and motivation for it. Schau dir unsere Auswahl an we were on a break an, um die tollsten einzigartigen oder spezialgefertigten handgemachten Stücke aus unseren Shops für digital zu finden. She was willing to ignore him and have a relationship with a guy who was more attractive despite not even speaking the same language; she only showed interest in Ross when he was in a relationship with someone else and he was That One Thing She Couldn’t Have (and as soon as she broke them up and he was available, she lost all interest). Wrong argument. We replay the last argument in our mind and expect a repeat. She's not thinking 'well it's ok, we DID break up for 12 hours that night'. It may not be cheating on paper, but the message delivered was basically it’s only okay for him to do it but not even the idea (and HIS idea at that, not Rachel’s) of her doing it. A more realistic situation that someone might actually do is send flowers to their girlfriend on her first day at a new job. Ross and Rachel went on a break for the very first time in 'The One Where Ross And Rachel Take A Break'. At the time, Ross mistakenly suspected that Rachel was having an affair with a co-worker of hers, Mark Robinson, and had subsequently frequently complained about how much time she had been spend… Also he had huge trust issues which she should have been sensitive to because his first wife blindsided him by leaving him for someone else after years of marriage. And even more, later Mark recognises that he likes Rachel, so Ross weren't insane about that. No. That's another reason it's invalid-----There was no consensus reached and if he hadn't acted possessive about her new job and barged into her office almost setting it on fire, they wouldn't have been on the rocks or needed to take a break in the first place-----That was his behavior, that was his fault. She broke up with him. vote. Oh… And even more, Ross was afraid that she was cheating him with Mark, and when Ross calls Rachel, she is passing the grief with... Mark. I agree. Rachel can’t have it both ways. In other words both of these commands should result in the same parsed arguments: Goes to England, to tell Ross she loves him, when she had so much time to do so, and everyone told her not to, and ruins his relationship with Emily (although I'm not a fan of the Emily-Ross relationship), all for what? Let's say even if Ross was right, it's all up to Rachel to decide if he still wants to take back Ross with the information she just got. share. Rachel said, "We need a break from us." Or is it a blip? You can't force another person to make a mutual decision by yourself. Obviously, he can't force her. If he told it to another person, maybe he's right. Joined Jan 20, 2003. How many couples threaten to break up during a huge fight? 17 Jun 08. Until one day, during a tiny argument you hear a sentence that hits you like a bucket of cold water: “We need to take a break.” Personally, I don’t believe in breaks. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. She did it when he was with Julie, and also the bald girl, and she wanted to also do it to Emily when she's gonna get married to Ross, just coz both of them think they're OTP and disregard everyone. Ross saw her running around frantically, spending insane amounts of hours at work trying to compensate for the fact that she was incapable of doing the job, and he didn’t want to hurt her by telling her the truth. Why should he? 4 talking about this. save. As a matter of fact, Rachel did become great at her job and her career only went upwards from then on. in the morning they got together. You must be logged in to vote. Then he finally stood up for himself and demanded to be treated like an equal in the relationship, and her response was to hurt him as much as possible and make him think they were broken up, as retaliation for his audacity to say she should show him a little respect. Who do you support on the 'we were on a break' argument? Please do not reload the page during the search. It's just that Rachel did good so she retained her career. Spending extra hours on a job is not a sign of incompetence, it always happens specially in jobs that works on a deadline, that's like most jobs. Ross didn’t trust her. She even actively tried to subotage those relationships (both times using bad haircuts... That's a weird theme I only now notice...). I've watched almost all of the Friends episodes and I've hear repeatedly the "we were on a break" argument between Rachel and Ross, but I never actually saw what Ross did to Rachel while they where supposedly on a break. Ross. She accused him repeatidly and consistently through the years of cheating on her. The ultimate friend's quote ever 16/03/10 - 22:00 And there’s no doubt that both clearly knew they were on a break. We Were On A Break! Last Monday, I had an argument with John Holmes and we kind of broke up/took a break. Discussion. Ross seeks solace at a party after a bitter fight with Rachel and ends up in the arms of another woman; Phoebe's date needs an interpreter to communicate. She admitted that’s not really what she wanted, him too, but for argument’s sake let’s say they did technically break up. Maybe you should've stayed away from Ross and kept your unstable and selfish feelings to yourself and let him live out his relationship with Julie. But I think he looked insensitive because he kissed someone else in less than 24 hours, They were on a break, but Ross is a man-whore and should've waited more than 24 hours, I am patrick's roommate and therefore do not know what the confederate flying flag f*ck this means, Anyone who does that shit over a break doesn't deserve to be taken back, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. If she is hurt, and doesn't … If he had been more patient and treat Rachel's career as competition, they still would've been together. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Argument is completely valid. It's like saying you can't break up with your partner because he doesn't want to. The debate started on season three of Friends when Schwimmer’s character, Ross Geller, got together with another woman after he and Jennifer Aniston‘s character, Rachel Green, got into an argument. We dated steadily for three years then took a two-year break while we both lived abroad. And it's not only her that had chances like that, most of the friends had like Joey getting in the museum and Chandler's firm; or Phoebe working in Chandler's and Joey's jobs. Just like Rachel said, you can't get out of this by technicality. We all know … When I watched it all I could think of was how it's not gonna pass up for today's show standards because of how little regard they did to Julie and her feelings. Rachel ended the relationship. Because that's what her feelings were: unstable and selfish. The superficial reason for the fight was that Rachel was so “busy” that she hadn’t spent any time with Ross in weeks. ‘Wasn’t that enough of a break?’ ‘I don’t mean that kind of break.’ There’s nothing worse than the last day of holiday. But he's asking Rachel that time and he uses that argument which is totally invalid, like I said it's not up to him to decide if she should take her back with that information. It's something he had to do to decide, and she would've done the same thing if she were in the same situation. Does that compel her to take him back? We Were On a Break ISBN13 9780007582419 Edition Format Paperback Number of Pages 416 pages Book Language English Ebook Format PDF, EPUB. Also, op could use 'moo argument' and didn't. Yesterday, we made up and had quite a nice ride. But he didn't cheated. Ross wanted to get back together, heard Mark was at her apartment and got depressed, drunk and slept with someone. Admittedly Ross went way over the top with his jealousy, but it’s a sitcom and they do things for comedic effect. Does anyone know how this came to be? Let’s break it down: “Were Ross and Rachel on a break”…yes absolutely. A proven incompetent person wouldn't have numerous and continuous opportunities offered to her, so you can't say you can't give people any chances. We all know the story. And even more, later Mark recognises that he likes Rachel, so Ross weren't insane about that. That's one. What is an argument? ‘You’ve just had a holiday,’ I pointed out, trying not to yawn. Rachel was upset at Ross’s jealousy over her male coworker and told him that maybe they needed a break. During those eight years, we were on and off for a variety of reasons. If Rachel doesn't want to be with Ross, for whatever reason it is, that's fine, and he can't do nothing about it. I can understand the “technically, he didn’t cheat” argument, but their fight was so stupid/dramatic and they SUCKED at communication. Thread starter CBRorBust; Start date Apr 30, 2004; Prev. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Now she started the job without facing any problems except Ross getting jealous over Mark for no reason. Rachel. We go about getting our needs met in ways that often ensure our needs won’t get met. When women say you are on a break it means you aren't together. Rachel clearly told “Maybe we should take a break”. Regardless of the technicality, he’s such a hypocrite. I don't think that Rachel was ever perfect, but I strongly disagree that she's incompetent. Were Ross and Rachel really on a break? After Ross broke up with Julie for her, she gets all prissy and says "we are never getting back together." 10 months ago. Rachel was already taking care of it when Ross shows up and meddle with her while she's in the middle of her work. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He (rightfully so) blamed me. You’re forgetting the root cause of the breakup (and yes it was a breakup). Ross didn’t handle things the best way but I can’t blame him one bit for not trusting her. What Ross did is a betrayal of their relationship and it absolutely is fair enough for Rachel to consider it cheating. She had no degree, no professional experience, all she had ever done was be a homecoming queen and prepare for a life of getting by on her looks. February 12, 2019 March 14, 2019 justtalkingshep. He should have just let her do her job and finish for the night. Words and vibes were exchanged and we decided we should maybe just take a breather. The phrase has its roots in the fifteenth episode of the third season of Friends, titled "The One Where Ross And Rachel Take A Break", when a rift between Ross Geller and Rachel Greene (a couple at the time) came to a head. Were they really on a "break" ? She caught a nasty attitude toward Julie and the relationship in general because she found out Ross liked her. The fact that she was accepted when she easily could have been turned down proves already she's a capable person. On February 13th 1997, the world changed forever. That would be some kind of slavery. level 2. 1 response. I know things hasn’t been going smoothly for either of us. But, no one is saying that. ), then expects forgiveness for actually carrying out the act of sleeping with someone else two minutes after supposedly breaking up. Ross dude. And Ross didn’t debate it, didn’t counter it, didn’t fight it. And, they share comments from listeners about when and why they took a break and how it helped (or not)! There's no degree on waitressing and her bad waitressing skills is just a play on stereotypes of rich peeps not knowing anything about a plebe's job. In Ross' mind, all his fears were true. Everyone and their mother made him the villain and no. -: Respect is of foremost importance in any relationship. We both apologized and we’re moving on. He can't just say something like it wasn't violating any rules, therefore they should get back together. So I didn’t go near him all week. First of all it's just a secretarial job, and there's three of them in Joanna's office, I'm pretty sure you don't need a degree that's difficult to attain, plus we don't know if Rach has one but I think she did since she used to be rich. It's maybe not fair for her to rub it in Ross' face the way she does when they briefly reconcile in season 4, but I'm totally on her side when it comes to the 'we were on a break' thing. It’s a fight. There’s no doubt about it, no confusion, no debate, no controversy. I thought there was something missing, the story was original but not real, the back and forth between the characters were confusing, not very well developed. Share. Let’s not forget what led to the fight in the first place. We want and expect that the person should change the behaviors that get under our skin. r/AskReddit is the place to ask and answer thought-provoking questions. I’m saying her behavior was rotten to the core and she didn’t deserve him or anyone else who wanted more than to simply use her and if he was thinking clearly he should have never wanted her back in the first place. Probably more than people here will admit. singlewahm. done. Her word vomit was in response to the question “what should we do about this problem?” Then he walks out. They were no longer in a relationship. She even blew off their anniversary without even an apology or acknowledgement. For Ross to have a ruined marriage and for them to not even get back together. It was ugly. Miraculously, a male stranger just walked her into the front door of her dream job that she had zero ability to perform at. We had a rough ride, I blamed him. ‎‘Witty, funny, warm and wise’ Marian Keyes Is it a break? Generally humans are little disasters. Ross dude. Directed by James Burrows. Once that point is clear, we have to say that in this particular case we are talking about something different. The more you improve your skills in this area, the better you will be at thinking critically, reasoning, making choices, and weighing evidence. Press the button start search and wait a little while. It has nothing to do with the technicality though. David Schwimmer set the record straight on Monday’s episode of The Tonight Show. And even more, Ross was afraid that she was cheating him with Mark, and when Ross calls Rachel, she is passing the grief with... Mark. It's up to Rachel whether he wants to take back Ross with the information she had. Two, She only decides to give him a chance because she sees the prom video. That would mean that ‘we were on a break’ was in fact her breaking up with Ross.” With that said, most users agree it wasn’t really right of Ross to sleep with someone else so soon. “From us”. My boyfriend and I have been dating for 5 years, we actually started dating when we were 17. Unbelievably childish. Go figure.Friends s3 e15: The One Where Ross and Rachel Take a Break You're right. It’s a passive-aggressive way of letting other guys know she’s taken, and it shows a lack of trust, but it’s something you talk about like adults you don’t end the relationship over it. Making a claim. I never think Rachel was really better, just had to point this out. Nope. In Ross' mind, all his fears were true. These people drink a lot!! So, Ross' "We were on a break!" I'm not sure how much of the detail you … Everything settled down after that anyway, so it seems Ross made tantrums for nothing. Finally, during the argument at Rachel’s apartment, she states “We were on a break!” Conclusion: So, from all this, you can see that it was Rachel's fault for not caring enough about her relationship with Ross, and then after dumping him herself, she has no right to dictate what he does afterward, especially since Ross already caught her with the guy who causes his jealousy to begin with. 4 days 14 hours left. she can’t break up with him and then say he’s a cheater when he does something broken up people do. Broke up Ross and Julie after she found out he liked her. Now when Mark left, there had to be some shakeup since she was left with the responsibilities of another employee so she was already handling a 2-man job. Who do you support on the 'we were on a break' argument? After settling down with the “safe” guy who had basically put her on a pedestal for years, she used him whenever she needed and blew him off whenever he was inconvenient. gone. They were no longer in a relationship. You should do this before your self- respect starts to disintegrate. She didnt mean "break up." Argument is completely valid. She tried to have one actual job as a waitress and she was lousy at it. Arguing is a good example. We Were On A Break. Clear as the sunshine, they were on a break. It wasn't meant for her eyes, so Ross didn't mean to hurt her. When women say you are on a break it means you aren't together. She only seeks Ross when she finds out he likes her. We were on a break is a book about the funny side of a break up, between a couple that instead of getting married decided to take a break. no one to cheat on. And that's not true. report. Rachel is the true villain of the relationship. Ross talks about it to his friends and … Go. The technicality doesn't oblige Rachel to get back with Ross, relationships don't work like that. So on Monday he asked for a break,on reasons that we have lost our connection,we quarrel too often,he finds it difficult to impress me, individual issues. But indeed, no one, never, can force anyone to be with someone he/she doesn't want to. Ross wasn’t at fault. You’re saying Rachel wasn’t obligated to take him back - no one disagrees with that. The "we were on a break" argument. 2. 10 comments. We all use argumentation on a daily basis, and you probably already have some skill at crafting an argument. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. One might also add that by this point in the show, Rachel was perfectly fine with Ross cheating on 2 other people for her (kissing him when he was dating Julie and Bonnie). Ross. With Jennifer Aniston, Courteney Cox, Lisa Kudrow, Matt LeBlanc. Until you fully commit to marriage you’re just testing each other out. Close. Do they really believe that’s the end? If such disputes and arguments have been happening now for a long then you should definitely part ways. If you are familiar with the 90s show F.R.I.E.N.D.S., then you will recognize this long-running joke based on the first time Rachel and Ross broke up. She wants to be all dramatic because Ross makes a list to decide who he wants to be with. Cookies help us deliver our Services. She knew nothing but shopping at fancy department stores and tried to make a career out of it. Description. She was a hypocrite because she always did what she hated Ross for, cheating. Of course not, but she's really calling the kettle black here. Sorry, you didn't ask for all of this, and most of this isn't relevant, but I just wanted to get it out there. Rachel barely suggested they take a break and he stormed out without getting details, talking it over or even agreeing to anything. Events leading up to the break-up of Ross and Rachel. Press J to jump to the feed. The thing is if Ross cheated on Rachel. @singlewahm (42) • United States. Also we never really see the other person's perspective like Julie. Besides all of these things, Rachel was so dismissive of Ross's interests, career, and educational achievement. He basically doesn’t trust her with Mark and assumes he was right about him when he heard him in the background (valid assumption at that point but only at that point - not ever before - but it shouldn’t matter because they were “broken up,” remember? Update: 2019-07-23 1. K. katerkat I wine a lot...it makes me feel better. If anything, Ross should have dumped her, broken contact and moved on with his life way before that. Not because all is lost, but probably because all won’t get fixed. Rachel accused Ross of … Bouncing between England and Mexico, Kelk’s novel alternates between her characters’ duelling perspectives. Nope, he uses it as an argument for her to take him back during their argument, what are u talking about? What happened? The ideal argument parser will recognize both short and long option flags, preserve the order of positional arguments, and allow both options and arguments to be specified in any order relative to each other. In her apartment. But despite what we just said, and y'know, the title of the episode and everything, it's still pretty unclear whether the duo actually were on a break. But that's what Ross thought she meant. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Rachel and Ross have an argument. Using file-sharing servers API, our site will find the e-book file in various formats (such as PDF, EPUB and other). We Were on a Break fits the bill nicely. Probably. We know they won’t, so we envision the next fight without even realizing it. Bitch! They share their own experiences when it comes to taking a break, and how they spent their time - good, bad, and ugly. It's like saying everyone in field of acting is bad since it happens everytime, or saying doctors working in operations shallow since they have to spend extra hours. At the same time he knew that this guy only helped her get the job because he was attracted to her, and she was definitely flirting with him in Ross’s presence while ignoring Ross pretty badly. Just because Ross says they were on a break doesn't mean that Rachel has to get back with him. big deal, people sleep together all the time. A subreddit for fans of the popular hit TV sitcom, Friends. In her apartment. 82 votes. This year has been the toughest for us, we quarreled more often than recent years. If she is hurt, and doesn't want to be with him, is fine. Just testing each other out spoiled, manipulative and terrible human being they were a... Therefore they should get back with Ross, for the night re just testing each other out marriage you ve... 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